The Oath Keepers will be done for as well-letting the man whose YouTube videos sparked that movement go to prison without so much as a dollar's support. That's to be expected from the Rhodes Org. I suppose.
And if you've been paying attention they will send Sgt. Dyer to the same prison where he testified against several of his co-workers for their abuses. Hell they tried starving him when they had him incarcerated on those bogus weapons charges!
If there isn't more support-evidence,testimonials, protests, or something a bit more (legally) substantial, July4Patriot-Sgt. Charles Dyer-is done for.
You can at least put in to the damn chip-in...
JULY4PATRIOT RECAP: http://freedomguide.blogspot.com/2010/10/july4patriot-recap.html
J. Croft
http://freedomguide.blogspot.com
From Breacher at AWRM.ORG:
http://www.awrm.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=47;t=000017;p=8
We will get more info as hearings get scheduled. The mother of the child on this particular situation has apparently decided not to go for the publicity that we had successfully used to recover the baby for the New Hampshire couple.
What we are gathering is some elements of the FBI were very directly involved in this, apparently visiting several family members trying to solicit information and testimony that could be used against the mother of the child and obtaining information where the child would be staying.
The court and CPS in Oklahoma had placed several criteria on Charles Dyers pretrial release conditions which he entirely complied with. In fact, his girlfriend and him had gone through the trouble of moving the child to another state pending the outcome of the trial.
Apparently that was not good enough for the feds. Their big issue was the major pivotal issue on whether or not Dyers girlfriend had given consent to the search of their place which produced the evidence in the current case, or whether the evidence was illegally obtained. Initial reports were that she had given consent, or signed a consent form. The reality of the situation is that she had apparently given consent under duress, meaning she had been threatened and led to believe that force would immediately be used against her if she resisted or declined consent, and that the child would be taken by the state.
Thus, the feds are making good on their promise to retaliate against her by taking the child, mainly for the real reason being that the child is a bargaining chip that they want to use to recruit her testimony in order to "see things the right way" as they would put it.
The warrants which produced the evidence in the current case are faulty, mainly because the "DNA search" was in fact, a lie. The only way to get that evidence back into the game is to claim that they either have confessions with evidence, or that the search was done with the consent of a resident.
It also appears that the judge is more of a player in this case than anybody else. The judge is effectively the person who is ransoming the child for a confession on the part of Charles Dyer and lacking that, support for a guilty finding on behalf of any friends or family that expect to hope to see the child again.
So basically the judge right now gave the order to grab the kid, with the involvement of the FBI but we are not entirely sure who was giving orders to who on that. Every family member brought up to take custody of the kid is being asked to "believe" that Charles Dyer is guilty of the child molestation, and if the people state that they think he is innocent, then the child remains in state custody. They have even circulated through a few sets of grandparents and other relatives on this.
This is turning into what is effectively a ransom situation and the bitch judge is saying that nobody gets the kid back until there are sufficient "admissions" that Dyer is guilty of the child molestation.
What we are gathering is some elements of the FBI were very directly involved in this, apparently visiting several family members trying to solicit information and testimony that could be used against the mother of the child and obtaining information where the child would be staying.
The court and CPS in Oklahoma had placed several criteria on Charles Dyers pretrial release conditions which he entirely complied with. In fact, his girlfriend and him had gone through the trouble of moving the child to another state pending the outcome of the trial.
Apparently that was not good enough for the feds. Their big issue was the major pivotal issue on whether or not Dyers girlfriend had given consent to the search of their place which produced the evidence in the current case, or whether the evidence was illegally obtained. Initial reports were that she had given consent, or signed a consent form. The reality of the situation is that she had apparently given consent under duress, meaning she had been threatened and led to believe that force would immediately be used against her if she resisted or declined consent, and that the child would be taken by the state.
Thus, the feds are making good on their promise to retaliate against her by taking the child, mainly for the real reason being that the child is a bargaining chip that they want to use to recruit her testimony in order to "see things the right way" as they would put it.
The warrants which produced the evidence in the current case are faulty, mainly because the "DNA search" was in fact, a lie. The only way to get that evidence back into the game is to claim that they either have confessions with evidence, or that the search was done with the consent of a resident.
It also appears that the judge is more of a player in this case than anybody else. The judge is effectively the person who is ransoming the child for a confession on the part of Charles Dyer and lacking that, support for a guilty finding on behalf of any friends or family that expect to hope to see the child again.
So basically the judge right now gave the order to grab the kid, with the involvement of the FBI but we are not entirely sure who was giving orders to who on that. Every family member brought up to take custody of the kid is being asked to "believe" that Charles Dyer is guilty of the child molestation, and if the people state that they think he is innocent, then the child remains in state custody. They have even circulated through a few sets of grandparents and other relatives on this.
This is turning into what is effectively a ransom situation and the bitch judge is saying that nobody gets the kid back until there are sufficient "admissions" that Dyer is guilty of the child molestation.
FROM CONSIGCOR at same site:
This is a letter from J4P's Mom sent to various politicians. She and JULY4PATRIOT have asked we post this on our sites. Please re-post it and share it.
Posted with permissions from J4Ps Mom and J4P.
quote:Last I heard kidnapping was a felony offense.
10/31/2010
To all interested:
We have tried to talk to people but there is no person who will listen to us so, I decided I would write you and let you know my feelings. It seems that the American Citizen is not allowed to have any feelings or beliefs unless they are agreed to by the government and may be arrested for them. Seems as though they are supposed to be quashed in these new days. I am old and remember when the United States was revered and everyone was proud to say, “I am an American”, at this moment I am not sure. Let me tell you my reasons.
There is an agency set up by the American government to protect its smallest citizens from harm. They have regulations, laws and limits in writing. They tell me that they do not have to follow the laws, they are able to do whatever they want. They can take these young citizens without warning or evidence and hold them without warrant and without reason to force the parents to do something that the constitution says they do not have to do. The present situation is as follows:
1.Vengeful wife presses charges of rape of daughter on husband during a divorce.
2.Husband and wife separated for a year, both are seeing other people.
3.Husband then charged with weapon, found “not guilty” in Federal court.
4.Husband has girlfriend with daughter and daughter found to have NOT been harmed by him by Child Protective Services.
5.Child Protective Services suggests that he not be alone with child so child is either with her mother or his parents and never alone with him. (This arrangement was approved by Child Protective Services.)
6.CPS decided that the accused had to take a 2 year voluntary counseling as a child abuser (in which he would have to admit guilt and the OK Supreme Court has ruled on such a case that it was unconstitutional and could not be required.) This could be used against him in his court case.
7.The mother was told she needed to take a 6 month voluntary course for she and the child for non-offender sex abuse classes (in which she would have to admit that she believed he was guilty and the OK Supreme Court has ruled on such a case and said it was unconstitutional and could not be required)
8.Child Protective Services says the mother must see that the child is removed from the state for protection because the mother may have to go to the bathroom or take a shower and the child may be molested during that time. Said it was not because she was not a protective or bad mother but because she did not believe he was guilty.
9.Judge refused to hold scheduled hearing and screamed at the mother and attorney in courthouse waiting area that she needed to “get in there and sign the papers, this is my case and I am not waiting” when the mother and attorney came to talk to the accused.
10.Before any papers were presented to the mother to be signed (had to be written and presented to her attorney) the sister of the accused came from Tennessee, paperwork was done and she took temporary custody and removed the child to Tennessee (original “suggestion” by CPS). She was met in Tennessee because the judge called a judge there and said he wanted the child returned to OK.
11.The TBI looked at the paperwork and said it was in order and suggested she go ahead and enroll the child in school, which she did the following morning.
12.The day the child started her new school she was taken kicking and screaming by CPS in Tennessee on orders of OK. (She was now far enough away from the accused that there could be no type of contact.)
13.Child brought back to OK and hearing held. The mother was told that if the child’s grandmother was here from Chicago arrangements could be made the mother and her daughter to go to Chicago and the case would be dismissed. Arrangements were made and tentative rental of a U-haul to move all their possessions was acquired. During the court hearing all the things required of them were presented to the court. The child was not adjudicated deprived in the hearing and they had 4 days to make a final decision.
14.On the fourth day the decision is made. The grandmother of the child said in court that she did not believe the accused is guilty so they refuse to let the mother and child go with her. Child has to remain in state custody. They will consider removing custody from the mother and giving it to the great-grandmother but she has to come to OK so they can talk to her and make a decision.
Here is where we are. There does not have to be evidence, in fact there can be no evidence of abuse, neglect or any type of harm to a child but the child can be removed and custody taken because they believe that some day there might be. It does not matter what the law states because they do not have to follow it. In fact, they state that even if the accused is found “not guilty” they can call wherever he lives and tell the CPS there that he is in the area and he will never be allowed to be with children for the rest of his life. He will be on “their list” and that is their right. This agency has total control, there is no oversight, there is nowhere to turn for recourse and there is no “common sense”.
America? When there is an agency that has total immunity and does not have to follow the law of the land, abide by the constitution and can take children away for no lawful reason that is not what it sounds like to me.
RECAP: Unlawful kidnapping, holding hostage, ransom is admission of guilt.
These are things that are just not understandable for me. Please explain why this can happen in America. Sounds like a country I studied in school many years ago. How can this happen in a “free society” governed by laws and a constitution.
Keep us in your prayers
J4P’s mom
And, hostage taking is an act of terrorism under the patriot act.
The question is...When will justice be served?
ONE LAST REPLY FROM BREACHER:
Dare anything happen to that kid while in state custody, one little scratch, anything that makes her cry, you know what, we just make that list grow. I know some "former" Marines who are some sick puppies to begin with, barely able to contain themselves to walk in civil society and if they were handed a list of people responsible for harming the child like that, maybe a few thousand bucks and the promise that no matter what we will honor the value of the justice they deliver, oh, it would be epic. Its not happening and apparently the opposition thinks we are a bunch of punk bitches because of it.
Sorry to say, the Dyer family is cowed at this point and cutting me off from additional information. We are not getting pictures or video of the missing kid, apparently as they have all been thoroughly threatened with retaliation if some good Samaritan decides to have an ooh rah episode and grab the kid back while splattering anyone who gets in the way.
So out of concern for the welfare of the hostage, we are to do very little at this point.
I guess the proper things to do at this point are to pray and send money to the chipin fund.
What's improper is not to be discussed in open forum any more.
THIS IS WHAT DYER'S IN FOR:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8451.htm
Torture Inc. Americas Brutal Prisons
Savaged by dogs, Electrocuted With Cattle Prods, Burned By Toxic Chemicals, Does such barbaric abuse inside U.S. jails explain the horrors that were committed in Iraq?
By Deborah Davies
They are just some of the victims of wholesale torture taking place inside the U.S. prison system that we uncovered during a four-month investigation for BBC Channel 4 . It’s terrible to watch some of the videos and realise that you’re not only seeing torture in action but, in the most extreme cases, you are witnessing young men dying.
The prison guards stand over their captives with electric cattle prods, stun guns, and dogs. Many of the prisoners have been ordered to strip naked. The guards are yelling abuse at them, ordering them to lie on the ground and crawl. ‘Crawl, motherf*****s, crawl.’
If a prisoner doesn’t drop to the ground fast enough, a guard kicks him or stamps on his back. There’s a high-pitched scream from one man as a dog clamps its teeth onto his lower leg.
Another prisoner has a broken ankle. He can’t crawl fast enough so a guard jabs a stun gun onto his buttocks. The jolt of electricity zaps through his naked flesh and genitals. For hours afterwards his whole body shakes.
Lines of men are now slithering across the floor of the cellblock while the guards stand over them shouting, prodding and kicking.
Second by second, their humiliation is captured on a video camera by one of the guards.
The images of abuse and brutality he records are horrifyingly familiar. These were exactly the kind of pictures from inside Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad that shocked the world this time last year.
And they are similar, too, to the images of brutality against Iraqi prisoners that this week led to the conviction of three British soldiers.
But there is a difference. These prisoners are not caught up in a war zone. They are Americans, and the video comes from inside a prison in Texas
They are just some of the victims of wholesale torture taking place inside the U.S. prison system that we uncovered during a four-month investigation for Channel 4 that will be broadcast next week.
Our findings were not based on rumour or suspicion. They were based on solid evidence, chiefly videotapes that we collected from all over the U.S.
In many American states, prison regulations demand that any ‘use of force operation’, such as searching cells for drugs, must be filmed by a guard.
The theory is that the tapes will show proper procedure was followed and that no excessive force was used. In fact, many of them record the exact opposite.
Each tape provides a shocking insight into the reality of life inside the U.S. prison system – a reality that sits very uncomfortably with President Bush’s commitment to the battle for freedom and democracy against the forces of tyranny and oppression.
In fact, the Texas episode outlined above dates from 1996, when Bush was state Governor.
Frank Carlson was one of the lawyers who fought a compensation battle on behalf of the victims. I asked him about his reaction when the Abu Ghraib scandal broke last year and U.S. politicians rushed to express their astonishment and disgust that such abuses could happen at the hands of American guards.
‘I thought: “What hypocrisy,” Carlson told me. ‘Because they know we do it here every day.’
All the lawyers I spoke to during our investigations shared Carlson’s belief that Abu Ghraib, far from being the work of a few rogue individuals, was simply the export of the worst practices that take place in the domestic prison system all the time. They pointed to the mountain of files stacked on their desks, on the floor, in their office corridors – endless stories of appalling, sadistic treatment inside America’s own prisons.
Many of the tapes we’ve collected are several years old. That’s because they only surface when determined lawyers prise them out of reluctant state prison departments during protracted lawsuits.
But for every ‘historical’ tape we collected, we also found a more recent story. What you see on the tape is still happening daily.
It’s terrible to watch some of the videos and realise that you’re not only seeing torture in action but, in the most extreme cases, you are witnessing young men dying.
In one horrific scene, a naked man, passive and vacant, is seen being led out of his cell by prison guards. They strap him into a medieval-looking device called a ‘restraint chair’. His hands and feet are shackled, there’s a strap across his chest, his head lolls forward. He looks dead. He’s not. Not yet.
The chair is his punishment because guards saw him in his cell with a pillowcase on his head and he refused to take it off. The man has a long history of severe schizophrenia. Sixteen hours later, they release him from the chair. And two hours after that, he dies from a blood clot resulting from his barbaric treatment.
The tape comes from Utah – but there are others from Connecticut, Florida, Texas, Arizona and probably many more. We found more than 20 cases of prisoners who’ve died in the past few years after being held in a restraint chair.
Two of the deaths we investigated were in the same county jail in Phoenix, Arizona, which is run by a man who revels in the title of ‘America’s Toughest Sheriff.’
His name is Joe Arpaio. He positively welcomes TV crews and we were promised ‘unfettered access.’ It was a reassuring turn of phrase – you don’t want to be fettered in one of Sheriff Joe’s jails.
We uncovered two videotapes from surveillance cameras showing how his tough stance can end in tragedy.
The first tape, from 2001, shows a man named Charles Agster dragged in by police, handcuffed at the wrists and ankles. Agster is mentally disturbed and a drug user. He was arrested for causing a disturbance in a late-night grocery store. The police handed him over to the Sheriff’s deputies in the jail. Agster is a tiny man, weighing no more than nine stone, but he’s struggling.
The tape shows nine deputies manhandling him into the restraint chair. One of them kneels on Agster’s stomach, pushing his head forward on to his knees and pulling his arms back to strap his wrists into the chair.
Bending someone double for any length of time is dangerous – the manuals on the use of the 'restraint chair’ warn of the dangers of ‘positional asphyxia.’
Fifteen minutes later, a nurse notices Agster is unconscious. The cameras show frantic efforts to resuscitate him, but he’s already brain dead. He died three days later in hospital. Agster's family is currently suing Arizona County.
His mother, Carol, cried as she told me: ‘If that’s not torture, I don’t know what is.’ Charles’s father, Chuck, listened in silence as we filmed the interview, but every so often he padded out of the room to cry quietly in the kitchen.
The second tape, from five years earlier, shows Scott Norberg dying a similar death in the same jail. He was also a drug user arrested for causing a nuisance. Norberg was severely beaten by the guards, stunned up to 19 times with a Taser gun and forced into the chair where – like Charles Agster – he suffocated.
The county’s insurers paid Norberg’s family more than £4 millions in an out-of-court settlement, but the sheriff was furious with the deal. ‘My officers were clear,’ he said. ‘The insurance firm was afraid to go before a jury.’
Now he’s determined to fight the Agster case all the way through the courts. Yet tonight, in Sheriff Joe’s jail, there’ll probably be someone else strapped into the chair.
Not all the tapes we uncovered were filmed by the guards themselves. Linda Evans smuggled a video camera into a hospital to record her son, Brian. You can barely see his face through all the tubes and all you can hear is the rhythmic sucking of the ventilator.
He was another of Sheriff Joe’s inmates. After an argument with guards, he told a prison doctor they’d beaten him up. Six days later, he was found unconscious of the floor of his cell with a broken neck, broken toes and internal injuries. After a month in a coma, he died from septicaemia.
‘Mr Arpaio is responsible.’ Linda Evans told me, struggling to speak through her tears. ‘He seems to thrive on this cruelty and this mentality that these men are nothing.’
In some of the tapes it’s not just the images, it’s also the sounds that are so unbearable. There’s one tape from Florida which I’ve seen dozens of times but it still catches me in the stomach.
It’s an authorised ‘use of force operation’ – so a guard is videoing what happens. They’re going to Taser a prisoner for refusing orders.
The tape shows a prisoner lying on an examination table in the prison hospital. The guards are instructing him to climb down into a wheelchair. ‘I can’t, I can’t!’ he shouts with increasing desperation. ‘It hurts!’
One guard then jabs him on both hips with a Taser. The man jerks as the electricity hits him and shrieks, but still won’t get into the wheelchair.
The guards grab him and drop him into the chair. As they try to bend his legs up on to the footrest, he screams in pain. The man’s lawyer told me he has a very limited mental capacity. He says he has a back injury and can’t walk or bend his legs without intense pain.
The tape becomes even more harrowing. The guards try to make the prisoner stand up and hold a walking frame. He falls on the floor, crying in agony. They Taser him again. He runs out of the energy and breath to cry and just lies there moaning.
One of the most recent video tapes was filmed in January last year. A surveillance camera in a youth institution in California records an argument between staff members and two ‘wards’ – they’re not called prisoners.
One of the youths hits a staff member in the face. He knocks the ward to the floor then sits astride him punching him over and over again in the head.
Watching the tape you can almost feel each blow. The second youth is also punched and kicked in the head – even after he’s been handcuffed. Other staff just stand around and watch.
We also collected some truly horrific photographs.
A few years ago, in Florida, the new warden of the high security state prison ordered an end to the videoing of ‘use of force operations.’ So we have no tapes to show how prison guards use pepper spray to punish prisoners.
But we do have the lawsuit describing how men were doused in pepper spray and then left to cook in the burning fog of chemicals. Photographs taken by their lawyers show one man has a huge patch of raw skin over his hip. Another is covered in an angry rash across his neck, back and arms. A third has deep burns on his buttocks.
‘They usually use fire extinguishers size canisters of pepper spray,’ lawyer Christopher Jones explained. ‘We have had prisoners who have had second degree burns all over their bodies.
‘The tell-tale sign is they turn off the ventilation fans in the unit. Prisoners report that cardboard is shoved in the crack of the door to make sure it’s really air-tight.’
And why were they sprayed? According to the official prison reports, their infringements included banging on the cell door and refusing medication. From the same Florida prison we also have photographs of Frank Valdes – autopsy pictures. Realistically, he had little chance of ever getting out of prison alive. He was on Death Row for killing a prison officer. He had time to reconcile himself to the Electric Chair – he didn’t expect to be beaten to death.
Valdes started writing to local Florida newspapers to expose the corruption and brutality of prison officers. So a gang of guards stormed into his cell to shut him up. They broke almost every one of his ribs, punctured his lung, smashed his spleen and left him to die.
Several of the guards were later charged with murder, but the trial was held in their own small hometown where almost everyone works for, or has connection with, the five prisons which ring the town. The foreman of the jury was former prison officer. The guards were all acquitted.
Meanwhile, the warden who was in charge of the prison at the time of the killing – the same man who changed the policy on videoing – has been promoted. He’s now the man in charge of all the Florida prisons.
How could anyone excuse – still less condone – such behaviour? The few prison guards who would talk to us have a siege mentality. They see themselves outnumbered, surrounded by dangerous, violent criminals, so they back each other up, no matter what.
I asked one serving officer what happened if colleagues beat up an inmate. ‘We cover up. Because we’re the good guys.’
No one should doubt that the vast majority of U.S. prison officers are decent individuals doing their best in difficult circumstances. But when horrific abuse by the few goes unreported and uninvestigated, it solidifies into a general climate of acceptance among the many.
At the same time the overall hardening of attitudes in modern-day America has meant the notion of rehabilitation has been almost lost. The focus is entirely on punishment – even loss of liberty is not seen as punishment enough. Being on the restraint devices and the chemical sprays.
Since we finished filming for the programme in January, I’ve stayed in contact with various prisoners’ rights groups and the families of many of the victims. Every single day come more e-mails full of fresh horror stories. In the past weeks, two more prisoners have died, in Alabama and Ohio. One man was pepper sprayed, the other tasered.
Then, three weeks ago, reports emerged of 20 hours of video material from Guantanamo Bay showing prisoners being stripped, beaten and pepper sprayed. One of those affected is Omar Deghayes, one of the seven British residents still being held there.
His lawyer says Deghayes is now permanently blind in one eye. American military investigators have reviewed the tapes and apparently found ‘no evidence of systematic abuse.’
But then, as one of the prison reformers we met on our journey across the U.S. told me: ‘We’ve become immune to the abuse. The brutality has become customary.’
So far, the U.S. government is refusing to release these Guantanamo tapes. If they are ever made public – or leaked – I suspect the images will be very familiar.
Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo – or even Texas. The prisoners and all guards may vary, but the abuse is still too familiar. And much is it is taking place in America’s own backyard.
Deborah Davies is a reporter for Channel 4 Dispatches. Her investigation, Torture: America’s Brutal Prisons, was shown on Wednesday, March 2, at 11.05pm.
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