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That's right the FLARE LAUNCHER-37mm not the US Military issue 40mm. If you're in/around Southern California and can investigate a innocent man needs you to track down the dude who gave Sgt. Dyer the 37mm flare launcher so we can get him out of the joint!
Feds don't like dissidents y'know...
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Texas Resistance
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posted 03-13-2010 07:28 PM
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July 4th Patriot Needs Help From A Militiaman in So. Calif.
I have been talking to a friend who has been talking to Dyer’s mother. His mother says all he had was a 37mm flare launcher not a 40mm grenade launcher. His mother says Dyer got it from a friend in California who said it was just a 37mm flare launcher and not legal for his friend to have in California but legal for Dyer to have in Oklahoma.
I understand that when local cops searched Dyer’s residence on false child molestation charges made up by his lying bitch ex-wife they found the device and they did not know for sure if it was legal or not so they called the BATF and the BATF came and said it was a 40mm grenade launcher. We all know that the news media lies but it seems hard to believe that even a BATFaggot would lie that much and even say it was stolen military property if it was not. But neither can I believe that anyone as intelligent as Dyer would keep a 40mm grenade launcher setting around when you can’t get any rounds for it since the rounds for it are illegal to possess. I wonder if it might have been de-milled so it could not function and therefore not be illegal to possess or if it was just a legal to possess 37mm flare launcher?
Right now Dyer is setting rotting in an Oklahoma jail having been screwed over by a crooked attorney his mother paid $22,000 to get him out of jail and to defend him.
Here is how July 4th Patriot can be helped. Dyer’s mother has the name and last know address of the man in South California who gave the launcher to Dyer. Is there any militiaman in South California with some skip tracing or investigative skills brave enough to help find the man that gave Dyer the launcher and get a sworn statement as to exactly what is was and where he got it from?
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What's the name?I have people waiting to move on this.Send it to me in a PM if you like.Is the person in the San Diego area?
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The last known address of the man who gave July 4th Patriot the launcher is within 60 miles of Los Angeles. I will pm you and others who have volunteered with the name and address as soon as I can get it from the woman who has been talking to July 4th Patriot's mother.
The woman who is talking to Mrs. Dyer started a support group to help July 4th Patriot here:
http://www.meetup.com/july4patriot
Err, someone's going to have to post this on the Prison Planet Forum for me-for some reason I got banned. Don't know why.
3/15/10 UPDATE:
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Originally posted by Texas Resistance:
It's a damn shame that the Feds have not found the man who gave July 4th Patriot the launcher. I guess they would rather have a leader of the Patriot Movement in a hell hole jail than see justice served. I'll bet the US Marshals Service could find him real quick if they wanted to.
In the last year the Feds have visited a lot of militia organizers and promoters that are openly recruiting and openly training. They would like to scare them all into going underground so the movement dies out.
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It is times like this where the real commitment gets sorted out for better or for worse.
A small few of us have learned the hard way that the feds are committed first toward maintaining their power base. The courts, the laws, the resources of the government are all to that end. You need to drop the delusion that courts are about fairness and truth, because they are simply not. We would like to think they are, and it is easy to start to see your perspective fade a bit when they are fair, but that is not the purpose they are serving in these situations.
Courts, even the most corrupt ones, do serve as a legitimate public record of what is going on, even if that record requires clarification outside of the court so that history will reveal the truth to later generations, for better or for worse, but that is the way it is.
If in fact the launcher was not one of the stolen units, then the people who have claimed so have already gone past the point of no return. I think that might be why the guy is in hiding. If in fact he launcher is one of the stolen uinits, and Dyer has in his isolation from the facts of the case, been playing a predetermined cover story as his defense, then he is hosed, however it does not any longer make it necessary for the feds to continue asking the state to continue the child molestation accusation to back up the otherwise tainted warrant that was used to obtain the grenade launcher as evidence in the first place.
I can speculatively see how it might be possible that Dyer had a real M203 mounted on a high quality airsoft gun but with an airsoft cartridge compatible barrel and with the airsoft rounds in such a way that it would be confusing as to whether it is real or not, and hoping that the contingency story of claiming it is just an airsoft item will stick. If this is the case, then the feds use of isolation techniques will have worked, and unfortunately poisoned what was my best idea for a defense.
If in fact the device was one of those borderline things, like an "all metal" airsoft unit, and then set up with a 37mm or airsoft compatible barrel but bore markings and a serial number similar to a Colt unit that happened to be stolen, then given what I know of the higher end manufacturers in Hong Kong and Japan, there are quite likely to be a bunch of similar units out there with the exact same serial numbers, or numbers and markings in the sequence range very close to it. As "government marked" Airsoft guns set up for "authenticity" usually just all have the same number or will run in a similar number range without actually matching the sequence of the real world units that were used as models. If that is the case, then we may be able to find some airsoft units converted or rigged to also work with 37mm launchers which will show this to be quite likely the case.
Likewise, as has happened in a few times in the past, Airsoft manufacturers have been known to obtain real weapons on the black market in order to reverse engineer them for the toy gun designs. I know of at least one Japanese custom airsoft maker who was busted a few years ago after obtaining a real HK UMP from a C3 dealer he originally approached at a SHOT show in Vegas in 2004. It is possible that the airsoft maker had obtained one of the original stolen M203s, and copied the serial number along with all of the other markings when making the knockoffs. It is also possible that someone smart had been obtaining the knockoff pot metal receivers for the airsoft grenade launchers and was using them for custom 37mm projects as a pot metal airsoft M203 receiver would easily handle most low pressure 37mm rounds and those airsoft cluster cartridges.
For example, the unit advertised here has "authentic" Colt markings and may by coincidence bear the serial number of a Colt unit that ended up stolen from the military somewhere:
http://www.airsofttitan.com/a102m.html
These things even match the correct weight of the grenade launchers they are modeled after, but a metallurgical analysis will show they are not made from the forged aluminum required for real units. Randy Shivak explained that to me years ago when I bought my M203 from him, as his receivers are made from the real metal, which is very tough to machine, while the airsoft units are cast and finished from softer metal. I had an "M203 casting" at the time that I was thinking of getting machined up to 80% and finishing myself, and was told that it would only be good for 37mm due to the difference in metal, and it would be a bad idea to make it even compatible with a 40mm barrel due to the liability issues of someone later on down the road installing a 40mm barrel on it and having it blow up in their face.
Likewise, the BATF is not coming out with any tests from Firing Dyer's launcher, and this may also explain why Dyer had a launcher but no 40mm rounds for it of any sort - as each round is an additional "destructive device" for prosecution purposes, and the reason you get prosecutively buried if you have a launcher with any decent number of HE rounds.
I got rid of my Shivak unit years ago when I ran into some concerns over that whole ammo and 40mm barrel compatibility issue. Each round being an additional DD charge if caught is problematic, in fact they could even get you for empty cases if you have a 40mm barrel around and empty cases for your Shivak launcher.
GettinReady
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posted 03-14-2010 07:56 PM
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I was in a phone call with Jim Stachoviak from ARM and Illchemist was on the phone as well today, and he said he was the one that gave July4patriot the launcher. I do not have an address, but his name is Travis. I quit speaking to Jim and have had no further dealings with ARM for a couple of months now. I was contacted by Jim because I have links to sites and companies who he says are trying to kill him or slander him. I hung up on him and moved on. I did however ask about the OP to him, and that was the answer I received.
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Posts: 110 From: Sticks Registered: Oct 2009
Breacher
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posted 03-14-2010 09:09 PM
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OK, so it is Illchemist? He probably made a 37mm launcher out of an airsoft unit. That is not hard to do actually.
I am heading out to a major airsoft importer in the next day or two to take a look at what they have on the "all metal" airsoft M203s. From what I can tell on the website, they are Colt marked and easily confused with something more real, and if adapted over to 37mm, the guy making it would think it is still legally a "non-gun" which I think he might be right about, but he is also smart to stay in hiding. That would also explain why Dyer had no ammo for the 203 and may not have even been going through much trouble to hide it. He thought it was a legal unit. Illchemist is going to stay in hiding because he is afraid of prosecution for what he probably had believed was legal, making a 37mm out of an airsoft unit. In fact, it would not surprise me if 37mm flare rounds work in some of the airsoft units with minimal modification and the airsoft units still function with the Co2 cluster rounds after the modification.
It would also explain why the feds are not parading the stuff around on TV the way they normally would.
Another thing that gets explained is recent BATFfag attention on airsoft guns with components that may be compatible with real weapons, or can be readily mistaken for the real thing. What we are certain of is that Illchemist and J4P trained a lot with the airsoft guns and had the higher end types of airsoft stuff.
The thing is, one or more of the stolen units may have made it to Asia and been duplicated, along with the serial numbers. The pictures I got of the airsoft M203s do have authentic looking markings, and the guys reverse engineering them may have actually also just copied the numbers off the stolen units when they were reverse engineering them, or may have set the serial number ranges in a similar range. I will be checking inventory at the distributor if they cooperate, to see how the serial numbers work on the airsoft units. If they all have the same serial number, then this will be easy to check out, but we need someone somewhere to find out what the serial numbers were on the actual M203s that came up missing from FT Irwin just in case the feds decide to be less than cooperative.
If this all pans out, I will post an update video which will effectively be an expert witness affidavit and we could potentially have J4P out of jail within a week. The feds will have no choice but to drop charges.
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Posts: 790 From: Oregon Registered: Sep 2002
Texas Resistance
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posted 03-14-2010 10:00 PM
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The name a friend of mine got today from July4Patriot's mother as the man who gave July4Patriot the launcher was not Travis/Illchemist (real name Travis).
I am not posting the name of the man Mrs. Dyer says was the one who gave July4Patriot the launcher but it was not Travis (Illchemsit)
However Illchemist's (Travis's) name was mentioned as one of the men July4Patriot played airsoft with. Travis is Illchemist on YouTube.
But if Illchemist, did give the launcher to July4Patriot and is it is just airsoft then Illchemist needs to act like a man about it and announce it to the world so July4Patriot can get out of jail.
Maybe the BATF cannot tell the difference between an airsoft an a M203?
[ 03-14-2010, 10:58 PM: Message edited by: Texas Resistance ]
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Posts: 1441 From: Angelina County, TX Registered: Jun 2003
Texas Resistance
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posted 03-14-2010 10:57 PM
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Here is an article about BATF going after airsoft guns. http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d28-Why-is-ATF-seizing-toy-guns
[ 03-14-2010, 11:33 PM: Message edited by: Texas Resistance ]
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Posts: 1441 From: Angelina County, TX Registered: Jun 2003
GettinReady
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posted 03-15-2010 01:26 AM
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Did they not also charge him with illegal possession of a silencer? which was also an airsoft toy. I remember a receipt for its purchase surfacing.
END UPDATE, COMMENT:
To the person who gave the flare launcher/airsoft toy/whatever to Sgt. Dyer...
look I know you acted out of fear. Very understandable given the beast we live under so you sought to get rid of something not necessarily bad but could easily be presented to a uneducated and unsophisticated public as evil. God knows that between the batfaggots going after men whose AR-15's double on them and airsoft sellers there's plenty of fear being pumped out.
The greater evil is letting a innocent man get ground up by the beast because you couldn't have simply taken a torch to your little project.
You believe in God right? Then know this: if you don't stand up and help July4Patriot out of this jam-that you helped create-then you may get yourself out of the clutches of the ATF but you WILL wind up facing Almighty God Himself when you die... explain to HIM why you let one of your own take the rap.
I will also tell you this: help July4Patriot out and we'll do what we can for you just as we are trying to do for him.
Your choice. Please make the right one.
J. Croft
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