11/22/10 J4P UPDATE

From Breacher at A Well Regulated Militia:
http://www.awrm.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=47;t=000017;p=9#000306

Updates:

The Girlfriend's 6 year old daughter was returned to either her or her family last week on the condition that they have no further contact with Charles Dyer. Not sure if this means his girlfriend is allowed any contact, but apparently the impetus of this was just a phone call or short meeting in a public place to say goodbye until the end of the trial. CPS had the kid picked up over what was apparently a phone call, naming it as a violation of a court order against "contact".

The trial had originally been scheduled for last week also, but local supporters had organized a rally in Dyer's favor. The trial was then postponed because the opposition did not want a confrontation while the child custody issue was still pending. They apparently knew that of all issues in the J4P case, this one was getting the most people ticked off.

The CPS people apparently became more divided on the molestation and child endangerment issues as they did more investigation. Apparently there had been some child endangerment charges filed against his girlfriend, and then subsequently dropped, but under dispute among the DHS workers.

Apparently with the girl being 6 years old and capable of using phones and the internet, the family was able to keep track of her whereabouts, albeit unreliably. There was also some information being provided by sympathizers within one or more of the CPS agencies, one of whom witnessed some heated discussion between the main CPS case officer and her supervisor. The case officer originally assigned to the case in Oklahoma had apparently threatened her supervisor and the prosecution with testimony against them and on behalf of Dyers' girlfriend if they did not release the child from state custody. I was told her name but forgot it already, but it was apparently the same woman who had told Charles Dyer that she thought he was guilty no matter what, and has now changed her opinion.

We don't know what face saving story the government will come up with this, but can accept it at face value except, some of the informants have disclosed that there are at least six other currently disputed cases where children have been taken for about the same reasons, they think under the directives of the same task force, and for the same purpose - to gain criminal convictions against people who otherwise are either innocent, would demand an open trial or both.

Some of those other families in the patriot movement have been contacted by people other than myself, and the shame of being under accusation or the threat of being under accusation of child molestation or endangerment vs the hope of seeing their kids again is being used to coerce various actions. We think that some of those "various actions" are in fact cooperation in the prosecution of their comrades.

I am apparently not being put totally in the loop on this due to some comments made by me, and some folks apparently associated with me which might imply that I think it is OK to use violence in the furtherance of child recovery, or the threat of violence to facilitate the recovery of children being held as a tool for ransoming criminal convictions or the "cooperation" of people in the furtherance of criminal cases.

I will address those issues. I am not encouraging or discouraging any particular act of violence that I would not personally participate in. I simply don't know what other people might or might not be doing, threatening to do, or where their limits of tolerance are or could be if their children are forcibly taken to be used as bargaining chips in a legal conflict.

My personal take on it is that the taking of children as a tool to coerce confessions in any criminal matter, or political alignment or labor on behalf of any party is something that needs to be entirely off the table. Furthermore, forcing people to labor as agents of any law enforcement agency by holding their children hostage is downright evil. Many of us previously had government careers, a few still do. I fail to see how coercive methods such as holding children hostage is going to produce fair and honest cases against criminal defendants which would not otherwise be accomplished fairly and professionally by lawfully appointed criminal investigations specialists who are fairly compensated and enjoy the rights, benefits and privileges of regular government employees.

As a movement, and as any group or website or publication that I support, lead, get respect in or whatever, We will NOT tolerate the taking of children as "bargaining chips" in political conflict, or in the furtherance of the pursuit of any criminal case that comes to our attention. We are also going to clearly note that not too many governments are doing this sort of thing against any other people they consider "sovereign". If some generals kids from Venezuela visit New York to shop for clothes are they picked up by the government and then held as a bargaining chip in some negotiation? How often did the Soviets pick up American kids to use as blackmail? How about among their own dissidents?

I'll say it again, this is not going to be tolerated. I don't even personally know what the other six situations are, but if the government is not holding some pretty darn compelling evidence of child endangerment on those, and be willing to make it available in open trial, that alone make it look like a political coercion child grabbing incident.

False accusations are an unfortunately common tool of social conflict, but child grabbing is not. It needs to stop, and whatever those other six to eight other situations are will need to get resolved sooner than later also.