AWRM GUNRUNNER UPDATE: GOV. GUN SMUGGLERS PROMOTED... SO WHATTO DO?

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airforce Administrator Member # 523 posted 08-16-2011 05:10 PM                       Fast and Furious supervisors promoted. quote: The ATF has promoted three key supervisors of a controversial sting operation that allowed firearms to be illegally trafficked across the U.S. border into Mexico. All three have been heavily criticized for pushing the program forward even as it became apparent that it was out of control. At least 2,000 guns were lost and many turned up at crime scenes in Mexico and two at the killing of a U.S. Border Patrol agent in Arizona. The three supervisors have been given new management positions at the agency's headquarters in Washington. They are William G. McMahon, who was the ATF's deputy director of operations in the West, where the illegal trafficking program was focused, and William D. Newell and David Voth, both field supervisors who oversaw the program out of the agency's Phoenix office.... Score another one for the forces of evil and stupidity. Onward and upward, airforce Posts: 8142 | From: Tulsa | Registered: Jan 2002  |

Stalker Moderator Member # 211 posted 08-16-2011 10:25 PM                           Just another abuse in a long list. -------------------- "Just name any Hero and I'll prove he's a Bum" - Greg "Pappy" Boyington VMF 214 Posts: 1497 | From: USA | Registered: Oct 2001  |

Imagrunt Moderator Member # 563 posted 08-20-2011 05:47 PM                           quote: Originally posted by airforce: Fast and Furious supervisors promoted. quote: The ATF has promoted three key supervisors of a controversial sting operation that allowed firearms to be illegally trafficked across the U.S. border into Mexico. All three have been heavily criticized for pushing the program forward even as it became apparent that it was out of control. At least 2,000 guns were lost and many turned up at crime scenes in Mexico and two at the killing of a U.S. Border Patrol agent in Arizona. The three supervisors have been given new management positions at the agency's headquarters in Washington. They are William G. McMahon, who was the ATF's deputy director of operations in the West, where the illegal trafficking program was focused, and William D. Newell and David Voth, both field supervisors who oversaw the program out of the agency's Phoenix office.... Score another one for the forces of evil and stupidity. Onward and upward, airforce Typical fed.gov promotion scheme: F*ck up Cover up Shut up Move up BATFE and DOJ are waving this sh*t in our faces, as if to say, "What are you gonna do about it?" What will it take to end this egregious injustice, blatant corruption, and lucrative rewards system for the absolute worst that "law enforcement" has to offer humanity? [ 08-20-2011, 05:49 PM: Message edited by: Imagrunt ] -------------------- I would gladly lay aside the use of arms and settle matters by negotiation, but unless the whole will, the matter ends, and I take up my battle rifle, and thank God that He has put it within my grasp. Audit Fort Knox! Posts: 3149 | From: Philistine Occupied CA | Registered: Feb 2002  |

fal3 Moderator Member # 69 posted 08-21-2011 06:14 AM                        Rep. Issa is a nice man who exposed this illegal action by the government. Now, what is he going to do about those who violated the Constitution ? Three have already received promotions and raises. Bottom line, more talk, no action. He has the evidence. So, why isn't he even mentioning criminal prosecution ? The only time he mentioned doing anything is over the obstruction complaint against the DOJ for stonewalling His Committee, and hurting the Committee's ego. There is more to this than their ego ! Politicians all ! [ 08-21-2011, 06:16 AM: Message edited by: fal3 ] -------------------- ---------------------------------- "Take heed: watch and pray, for ye know not when the time is." -- Mark 13:33. Posts: 2491 | From: East of the Pacific | Registered: Oct 2001  |

Breacher Senior Member Member # 1119 posted 08-21-2011 07:13 PM                        Imagrunt is right, this whole thing is getting waved in our faces by the "sovereign immunity" above-the-law crowd. Word I got from a guy from AZ is the place involved with this is J&G sales which is a very high volume outfit that does both retail and wholesale, and their idea of "cooperating fully" for the last few years has been to collect information on all purchases, of all guns and ammunition, and turning it over to the ATF, this even includes everything down to a box of 22 shells. I know people go got busted and did prison time for selling a few guns to a "friend" who was posing as a resident of another state, when in fact, the "friend" was an ATF infiltration agent and having a criminal record was not the issue (none involved had a prior record). A single three gun purchase is enough to "bust" someone who is a prior felon, although I hear the feds prefer to get the felon on selling the guns rather than buying them, as they did in a big pawnshop sting here in Portland recently. The feds were running a pawnshop/headshop which was taking guns in trade for stuff like meth cooking gear and car stereos, giving out the reputation they would buy any and all guns. Lots of felons got burned walking in and selling/trading guns on closed circuit camera. They got something like 20 cases out of keeping the place open for only six months and never distributed any guns anywhere, just bought guns. They even nailed some tweaker who had traded in a Sten gun for some cash and other head shop stuff like a substance used to dilute (cut) meth. Apparently, these "cartel" guys were given some preference at J&G sales, going in about every week to buy guns, and sometimes along with their handler/agent just to make sure it all went smoothly. How they privelage outright dope pushing felons at that level and then continue to deny basic rights to guys like Bladrunner and a few others here who got burned is beyond my tolerance level. -------------------- Life liberty, and the pursuit of those who threaten them. Posts: 1525 | From: Oregon | Registered: Sep 2002  |

J. Croft Senior Member Member # 3405 posted 08-22-2011 01:04 PM                           I know a few things we can do about it: 1.)Boycott J&G. They want to get in bed with the traitors in Washington; facilitate compiling intel on Americans arming up, aid and abet arresting said Americans, steal their weapons so they can be transferred from ATF inventories to murderous drug cartels-along with whatever truckloads of arms and ammunition those Elmer Fuckers outright sell to them? Shun them. Spread the word of a boycott. Use the bluntest language you can, use images of murdered Mexicans and incarcerated Americans to emphasize the point. It will be you tomorrow. 2.)I'll repeat this point; we must, MUST find like-minded souls both across the border and among the Mexican Diaspora in America. Find common cause because the enemy wants to dismember our country by sparking a race war. About all the Mexicans I've encountered in the past few years have been reserved and polite; they are not stupid. All you have to do is find someone to talk to, get a conversation going, because both our peoples are being hurt by this. You find those people, I'm sure you know where to go from there. 3.)Do not let them sweep this under the rug or wave it in our faces with impunity. We must never forget Operation Gunrunner, just like we will never forget 9/11... however way you want to remember that. -------------------- Be your own leader